Disproving a Popular 'No-Virus' Arguing Point

Written by Jeff Green - 06/26/2023

Disproving a Popular 'No-Virus' Arguing Point

Written by Jeff Green
06/26/2023

A popular 'No-Virus' talking point that has made up the core argument of the group for nearly three years, is that viruses have never been isolated directly from animals without lab culture. This is a very important part of the 'No-Virus' group's agenda, and without it, their entire 'theory' is called into question.

I have already established in my prior writings how this group will not concede to any information presented to them, no matter how well it is delivered. That has been proven through the group’s various interactions with others, including with myself.

Below, you can read Christine Massey's own words with regard to this topic. I will then address the matter following her comment, and then address the topic of the isolation of viruses directly from animals.

Christine Massey writes:

“And lol, both the CDC and Mount Sinai Hospital in Toronto have admitted that "viruses" never get purified from "hosts". It's not done in virology.

CDC, bottom of page 3 (I'm sure you'll grasp onto their straw man excuse for not purifying):

https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/CDC-March-1-2021-SARS-COV-2-Isolation-Response-Redacted.pdf

Mount Sinai admitted it not once but twice (scroll down the page):

https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/university-of-toronto-sunnybrook-hsc-have-no-record-of-covid-19-virus-isolation/"

Christine Massey asks the CDC in her request the following:

"Can you please clarify if you have any records of the separation of SARS-CoV-2 from everything else (known as isolation and purification)? A simple yes or no will do regarding the answer. Please use Merriam-Webster dictionary's common definition of isolation. I will provide definitions below:

Isolation: the action of isolating : the condition of being isolated

Isolated: occurring alone or once : unique

Isolate: to set apart from others : quarantine

to select from among others

especially to separate from another substance so as to obtain pure or in a free state.”

The response from the CDC reads:

"The definition of "isolation" provided in the request is outside what is possible in virology, as viruses need cells to replicate, and cells require liquid food. However, the SARS-CoV-2 virus may be isolated from a human clinical specimen by culturing in cell culture, which is the definition of "isolation" as used in microbiology, and as indicated in the previous round of response in the resources provided" - Roger Andoh CDC/ATSDR FOIA Officer

This is a correct reply by the CDC. However, there are various methods used in virology to arrive at isolation. Some of them do not require artificial cell culture, but they do require some form of culture in all cases to be extracted, whether that be of natural culture origin (the host body, i.e., the natural culture), or artificial lab origin.

I write extensively about the isolation of viruses here.

I will not address the existence or non-existence of SARS-CoV-2, because the argument of the 'No-Virus' group applies to all viruses that exist or will exist.

The isolation argument put forth by the 'No-Virus' group is one not based in reality, or on common scientific grounds. The basic and broad definitions, as defined in Webster, do not apply to the complexities of microbiology, where there are many minutiae that must be known and considered. Christine Massey's use of the general meaning of "isolation" has little to no use in microbiology. Those in the 'No-Virus' group should know better by now, but they continue to mislead their audience by claiming that viruses are never isolated, thus do not exist. Their arguments are infantile and make no logical, scientific sense. If viruses must be purified 100% to be isolated to be shown to exist, then they must consistently apply this same logic to all other microorganisms that have been claimed to exist as well. For so too are they purified, isolated, and characterized in similar ways as those use by virologists in virology.

Unfortunately, to the detriment of their larger audience, this group focuses on the finger pointing to the stars, instead of focusing on all the heavenly glory to which the finger points. That is to say that the isolation and characterization of a viral particle is completely separate from whether a virus is truly contagious/pathogenic or not.

As I have stated numerous times, viruses in culture infect and dissolve cells. In cell culture, an unregulated viral particle placed into culture will begin to dissolve cell walls. The cell will analyze, and if able, take the information from the foreign particle and use it to produce a similar solvent to dissolve that tissue which threatens the cell as caustic foreign debris. In so doing, you will observe that the cells in culture will begin to expand many times greater than themselves, where the viral load becomes apparent with the naked eye. This shows the use of liquid food by cells in order to produce energy. Thus, this refutes the 'No-Virus' argument that this observance is merely 'cellular debris'. For if it truly were cellular debris, it would not expand greater than the cellular material that first existed. Instead, one sees an expansion in order of magnitude.

With this said, it is important to understand that cell culture, void of any other mode of toxin excretion, besides cellular solvents (virus), will dissolve themselves systematically in an attempt to remove the toxin(s). This is called 'pathogenicity' by researchers. I state this is a misclassification of the processes at play in the natural world, and in the inner depths of the body, wherein many modes of moving toxins away from cells are in full play. Without these detoxification modes present in cells, cells naturally self-catalyze and dissolve themselves by their own solvent chemicals (virus) in an attempt to save themselves. The virus produced by cells is dependent on the type of cell line used and their ability to produce viruses.

Note: All infection begets healing—whether viral, bacterial, parasitical, or fungal.

Are Viruses Isolated Directly Via Animals Without Artificial Lab Culture?

Coronavirus is isolated using cell lines because it is an animal virus, and animal viruses require stricter methods of isolation than other viruses. There are other viruses that do not rely on artificial lab culturing and can be drawn directly from the natural culture—the body of the insect or plant.

The methods of those procedures can be read on p.6 of the below scientific review, which examines previous studies and compiles their data and evidence. https://escholarship.org/content/qt64w5j3pz/qt64w5j3pz.pdf
Crystallography Reviews, 2015 Vol. 21, Nos. 1–2, 3–56,
REVIEW - A guide to the crystallographic analysis of icosahedral viruses
Alexander McPherson∗ and Steven B. Larson
Department of Molecular Biology and Biochemistry, University of California, Irvine, CA, USA

"Insect cells are readily infected with viruses, and they are among the easiest to culture and maintain. From the animal kingdom, they have provided rich sources of viruses including, for example, Nudaurelia capensis ω virus, Black beetle virus, and Cricket paralysis virus. In some cases, where cells of an insect are difficult to culture, it may be advantageous or efficient to grow large quantities of the insects themselves, infect the populations, and isolate the virus from the insect tissue. Iridoviruses, for example, can be raised in jars containing pillbox bugs to high density. The insects, following death produced by the virus, are simply allowed to decay and putrefy. The virions, however, are extremely stable and when the insect tissue has virtually disappeared, the virus persists.

Viruses produced in other animal cells, principally animal cells in culture, are the most demanding because cell culture is a complicated enterprise that requires a considerable degree of expertise, patience, care, and specialized equipment. Cell culture, however, is the only recourse when the natural viral host is a higher organism. This presupposes that the susceptible cells of that organism can be cultured at all, and this is frequently a tenuous proposition. In addition, because eukaryotic cells in culture do not achieve high densities, the yield of virus per litre of media is low. There are, nonetheless, many examples of viruses so isolated; these include blue tongue virus, rotavirus, adenovirus, and foot and mouth disease virus." - p.6

Thank you for reading!

Jeff Green